Neurotherapy-of-Christian-Brain: If Jesus were God ? / Is Jesus really God? Did Jesus sin/tempted?

If Jesus were God ??

IF JESUS WERE GOD , HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A :

§ A Powerless "GOD" :

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. - John [5:30]

§ A "GOD" with NO knowledge of hereafter :

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

-Mark [13:32]

§ A "GOD" with NO knowledge of seasons :

Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs.

-Mark [11:13]

§ A THIRSTY "GOD" :

Later, knowing that all was now completed, and so that the Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, "I am thirsty."

-John [19:28]

§ A WEEPING "GOD" :

"Jesus WEPT."

-John [11:35]

§ A "GOD" tempted by DEVIL :

and he was in the desert forty days, being tempted by Satan. He was with the wild animals, and angels attended him.

My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all.

-John [10:29]

.. the Father is greater than I.

-John [14:28]

But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come to you.

-Luke [11:20]

These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

-John [14:24]

A LOGICAL PERSON CAN NOW JUDGE IF JESUS [PBUH] IS GOD !!

[Abdul Fatir]

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Is Jesus Really God? [http://thedeenshow.com/watch/1763/is-jesus-really-god]

Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the second person in the "Holy Trinity". However, the very Bible which is used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to consult your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are not drawn out of context:

1. God is All Knowing... but Jesus was not.

When speaking of the Day of Judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 and Matt 24:36) But God knows all. His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own admission, did not know when the Day of Judgment would be, is clear proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not God.

2. God is All-Powerful... but Jesus was not.

While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the power he had was not his own, but derived from God. He said, "Verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do..." (John 5:19) Again he said, "I can of mine own self do nothing: As I hear I judge, and my judgment is just because I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me." (John 5:30) But God is not only all-powerful, He is also the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his own admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus is not all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.

3. God does not have a God... but Jesus did have a God.

God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one whom he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." (John 20:17) He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt 27:46) If Jesus were God, then couldn't this be read "Myself, myself, why hast thou forsaken me?" Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's prayer (Luke 11:2-4) was he praying to himself? When in the garden of Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: Nevertheless, not as I will but as thou wilt." (Matt 26:36-39) Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own admission, and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped and prayed to another being as God, is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.

4. According to the Bible, God is invisible to humans... but Jesus was flesh and blood.

While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that this could not be done with God when he said, " No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18) "Ye have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His shape." (John 5:37) He also said in John 4:24, "God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or heard God ant any time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is clear proof that Jesus was not God.

5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him... but Jesus acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from his own.

Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth of Jesus himself who said in John 14:28, "My Father is greater than I." When someone referred to him as a "good master" in Luke 18:19, Jesus responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God..." Further more, Jesus drew clear distinctions between himself and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." (John 8:42) Jesus gave clear evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his equality with God, when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but thine be done," and in John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will of the Father which has sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did not come into the world on his own initiative but was directed to do so, that he would acknowledge another being as greater than himself, and that he would negate his own will in deference to affirming the will of another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One and therefore Jesus is not God.

Conclusion

The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what basis have you come to believe otherwise?

My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity is false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as presented in the Bible. God is One, not three. He is a perfect unity.

If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.

What is the word of God about Jesus?

A. Regarding the Sonship of Jesus:

That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him! When He decrees a thing, He but says to it "Be", and it is. (Qur'an 19:34-35)

And they say, 'The All-Merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You have indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in the heavens and earth but he comes to the All-Merciful as a servant. (Qur'an 19:88-93)

Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an 3:59)

People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His word that He committed to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not 'Three', Refrain, better it is for you. God is only One God. Glory be to Him – that He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an 4:171)

B. Regarding Jesus being God:

And when God said, 'O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say unto men, "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He said, 'To You be glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You are the witness over everything. (Qur'an 5:116-117)

C. Regarding the Crucifixion of Jesus:

And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty calumny, and for their saying 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God'... yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they did not slay him of certainty... no indeed; God raised him up to Him; God is Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book but will assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an 4:156-159).

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10 reasons Jesus is not God

1. In the Gospel of Mark Chapter 8 says:

22 They came to Bethsaida, and some people brought a blind man and begged Jesus to touch him.23 He took the blind man by the hand and led him outside the village. When he had spit on the man’s eyes and put his hands on him, Jesus asked, “Do you see anything?”
24 He looked up and said, “I see people; they look like trees walking around.”
25 Once more Jesus put his hands on the man’s eyes. Then his eyes were opened, his sight was restored, and he saw everything clearly. 26 Jesus sent him home, saying, “Don’t even go into the village.”

The story is about a blind man getting healed by Jesus.

The problem I have is: if Jesus is God incarnate in flesh, wouldn’t he know that the Blind man is healed already? Doesn’t God almighty know everything? How can Jesus mess up the healing and make him see people: they look like trees walking? Why does he have to perform the miracle again for the guy to see?

2. Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. (Mathew 28:18)

6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me. (John 17:6-8)

All authority has been "GIVEN" to Jesus by the Father (God)? How can Jesus be "God" if he was "GIVEN" this authority? So before Jesus was "GIVEN" this "authority", what was he? He was a no body. What kind of God was he before he was “GIVEN” all this authority? If Jesus is co equal with the Father (God), why would Jesus need the Father to give him the authority if he is God himself?

3. Jesus Is Tempted
The Holy Spirit led Jesus into the desert. There the devil tempted him (Jesus). 2 After 40 days and 40 nights of going without eating, Jesus was hungry.
3 The tempter came to him. He said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
8 Finally, the devil took Jesus to a very high mountain. He showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 “If you bow down and worship me,” he said, “I will give you all of this.”
10 Jesus said to him, “Get away from me, Satan! It is written, ‘Worship the Lord your God. He is the only one you should serve.’” 11 Then the devil left Jesus. Angels came and took care of him. (Mathew 4:1-11)

Can you ever think or come to your mind for 1 second that God gets tempted by the devil to do evil? It says in:

James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone.

So there you have it, God cannot be tempted to do evil and Jesus (pbuh) was tempted to do evil.

It says in verse 8: Finally, the devil took Jesus to a very high mountain. He showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 “If you bow down and worship me,” he said, “I will give you all of this.”
Can you imagine God almighty that created the heavens and the earth, the beautiful sky the earth, the mountains, trees, beautiful animals the sea. Yet devil says, I will give you all this, if you worship me? Isn’t it clear that that Jesus is not GOD? The reason the devil said these things, because he knew Jesus was not God but a prophet of God.

Jesus said lastly: "Worship the Lord your God". He is the only one you should serve.’ Jesus made it clear that the only person that should be worshipped is God alone and no one else.

4. 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. John 14:28

Jesus clearly said that the Father (God) is greater than him. Christians will argue and say: that this means that the Father is greater than Jesus in authority but not in essence. But this contradicts Matthew 28:18 where Jesus says all authority is given by the father to him. Another thing to note is, if they are all co equal as Christians say, how can 1 be greater than the other?

5. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John 5:30

Jesus (pbuh) here says it clearly that everything he does, the miracles, forgiving sin, is not from him but from God almighty. He does everything by the will of God.
If Jesus was God why couldn’t he do whatever he wanted, if he is God, why does he need to listen to the Father (God) to be granted permission?

6. And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine. (Mathew 7:28)
And they were astonished at his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes. (Mark 1:22)
Jesus answered them, and said the following: My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. He means God almighty. (John 7:16)
So as you see it is clear that Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet of God almighty. The doctrine was teaching, which is the Gospel, is not his, but it belongs to the one who sent him, in other words God. If he was God, wouldn’t he be saying this Gospel is my own words, I am God?

7. You won’t find 1 verse in the whole Bible where Jesus says “I am God”. Why is that? If Jesus is God, why would he not declare that he is God? Is he shy to say he is God? I mean there are so many verses in the Old Testament where he makes himself clear that he is God, why hasn’t he once said he is God? Can I call someone King if he never declared himself to be a King? I am going to show 10 verses where God says he is God in Old Testament:

(A) Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me. (Isaiah 46:9)

(B) Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. (Hosea 13:4)

(C) I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me. Isaiah 45:5)

(D) And God said to him, "I am God Almighty; be fruitful and increase in number. A nation and a community of nations will come from you, and kings will be among your descendants. (Genesis 35:11)

(E) "I have heard the grumbling of the Israelites. Tell them, 'At twilight you will eat meat, and in the morning you will be filled with bread. Then you will know that I am the LORD your God.'" (Exodus 16:12)

(F) "I am God, the God of your father," he said. "Do not be afraid to go down to Egypt, for I will make you into a great nation there. (Genesis 46:3)

(G) "I am the LORD, the God of all mankind. Is anything too hard for me? (Jeremiah 32:27)

(H) And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.(Ezekiel 23:49)

(I) Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the LORD your God." (Ezekiel 20:20)

(J) "So My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will have no place in the council of My people, nor will they be written down in the register of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel, that you may know that I am the Lord GOD. (Ezekiel 13:9)

8. As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. (Mark 10:17-18)

In this above verse a man runs up to Jesus and says “Good teacher” Jesus replies back and says “why do you call me good”? Jesus answered him and said “no one is good except God alone”. If he was really God, why would he differentiate himself, why would he say God ALONE is good? He is making himself clear that God alone is perfect and no one else, not even himself.

9. "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

All believers know and believe that God almighty knows everything single thing. If Jesus is really God incarnate in flesh, how come he does not know the day of judgement when it will occur? So here we see the Jesus doesn’t know of the hour. The Angels don’t know of the hour and the Holy Spirit does not know of the hour as well. Yet we have Christians claiming that Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God and they are all co equal. If they are all co equal, how come the son does not know of the hour or the Holy Spirit??

10. Jesus bowing down and worshipping God:

(A) Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.” (Mathew 26:39)

(B) He went away a second time and prayed, “My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.” (Mathew 26:42)

(C) Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he prayed. (Mark 1:35)

(D) They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, “Sit here while I pray.” (Mark 14:32)

(E) Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. (Mark 14:35)

(F) One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. (Luke 6:12)

(G) He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed. (Luke 22:41)

(H) And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground. (Luke 22:44)

Isn’t it logical for you to pray to the creator who Jesus worshipped?
Jesus says: But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth. (John 4:23)

Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'" (Mathew 4:10)

If Jesus said worship GOD ONLY, why do people worship Jesus?

Brothers and sisters in humanity come back to the truth and worship God alone and nobody else. Listen to Jesus (pbuh)’s teachings worship your Lord and his Lord.

Courtesy : Kaleef Karim

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Jesus Can't Be god. This Christian concept is so stupid. How can god be born? Jesus lived like a man. He eat, bath, urinate ? Below are some passages from bible rejecting Jesus as god

First: Jesus is a man

Second: God is neither a man nor a son of a man

Third: No one can see god

Fourth: God is the living and everlasting

Fifth: is Jesus God?

Sixth: Jesus always confessed he is just a prophet sent by god

Seventh: God Declare Himself to be God

Eight: God Doesn’t Change His Nature

   First: Jesus is a man

Jesus in so many positions in the bible itself he confessed he is a man and he is a son of man on the contradictory God stated on the bible that he is not a man nor a son of man

Let us take a look to the verses in the bible

Jesus is Deprecates that they want to kill him! And then confessing he is only a man was sent with the truth from God. Jesus himself said it by his mouth “I am a man came with the truth”

John 8: 40
”But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham”

Jesus didn’t deny he is a man, He accepted it

Luke 19: 21-22
”For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:”

All people lived around Jesus and dealing with Jesus they said he is a man because he never claimed he is god and if you have only one verse in which Jesus says I am God and worship me please give it to me, How come it’s the main faith of Christianity and there is no verse claiming Jesus Divinity?
Why he would make things mysterious for his believers? He always was inviting people to worship the One God created him, prophets and all humans. The One in the heavens up and all of us are slaves for him.

Let us read those verses:

Luke 23: 4
Pilate said to the chief priests and the multitudes, “I find no basis for a charge against this man.”

Luke 23: 14
And said to them, “You brought this man to me as one that perverts the people, and see, I have examined him before you, and found no basis for a charge against this man concerning those things of which you accuse him.

John 7: 46
The officers answered, “No man ever spoke like this man!”

John 11: 47
The chief priests therefore and the Pharisees gathered a council, and said, “What are we doing? For this man does many signs.

John 4:29
“Come; see a man who told me everything that I did. Can this be the Christ?”

Acts 2:22 Men of Israel, hear these words! Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved by God to you by mighty works and wonders and signs which God did by him in the midst of you, even as you yourselves know,

Jesus himself is surprised saying you are afraid from me?
Afraid from man that will die? So the two facts are clear that Jesus a man and shall die.

Isaiah 51:12
“I, even I, am he who comforts you: who are you, that you are afraid of man who shall die, and of the son of man who shall be made as grass;”

Matthew 12: 32
“Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is to come.”

Jesus called himself “son of man” and in addition he said if someone said a bad word for me he shall be forgiven, but for the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
That means Jesus is less than the Holy Spirit in the rank.

      Second: God is neither a man nor a son of man

Job 9: 32
For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.

Job is talking about god and praising god “he is not a man as I am”
So clear god didn’t make any kind of exception?

Hosea 11: 9
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Why god didn’t said the following: God is the most honest he should not lie. God is the most perfect and wise he should not repent.

Also another note here is that it’s mentioned that god shouldn’t repent because repenting is a nature of humans but you go and read verse 1 Samuel 15:10 – 11 God grieved?

Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie, nor the son of man, that he should repent.

Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not make it good?

   Third: No one can see God

1 John 4: 20
If a man says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who doesn’t love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

1 John 4:12
No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God remains in us, and his love has been perfected in us.

The point here is that No one can see god ever but Jesus’s people saw him naturally because he was a man among them.

   Fourth: God is the living and everlasting

God stated in the bible he will not die. Let us talk about pronoun “we” , when someone is important “VIP” and he is talking in plural it means that he is like a king talking it’s for glory and highness it’s the same thing in Arabic also it’s used for majesty.

Habakkuk 1: 12
Aren’t you from everlasting, Yahweh my God, my Holy One? We will not die. Yahweh, you have appointed him for judgment. You, Rock, have established him to punish

1 Timothy 6:16
Who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and eternal power. Amen.

Deuteronomy 5: 26
For who is there of all flesh, that has heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?

Daniel 4:34
At the end of the days I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted up my eyes to heaven, and my understanding returned to me, and I blessed the Most High, and I praised and honored him who lives forever; for his dominion are an everlasting dominion and his kingdom from generation to generation.

Daniel 12:7
I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by him who lives forever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half; and when they have made an end of breaking in pieces the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Daniel 6:26
I make a decree, that in all the dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel; for he is the living God, and steadfast forever, His kingdom that which shall not be destroyed; and his dominion shall be even to the end.

   Fifth: is Jesus God?

Jesus Can’t be god because he too have a God
In fact, Jesus Have a God too. I am not claiming this myself but Bible says so. Jesus prayed cried and sits at the right hand of the God

Matthew 27:46 (NIV):
”About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"--which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Mark 15:34 (NIV) Also represents the same things
“Then at three o'clock Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?" which means "My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?"

Moreover, Jesus Himself said about God and stated He is the good one.

Mark 10:17-18
“As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.”

Mark 16:17
“After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.”

     Sixth: Jesus always confessed he is just a prophet sent by God

Matthew 21:10 -11
And when he entered Jerusalem, the entire city was stirred, saying, "Who is this?" And the crowds said, "This is the prophet Jesus from Nazareth of Galilee."

We are not talking here about one individual it’s the whole city saying this.

John 4:19-20
The woman said to him, "Sir, I perceive that you are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain; and you say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship."

John 6:14
When the people saw the sign which he had done, they said, "This is indeed the prophet who is to come into the world!

John 9:17
So they again said to the blind man, "What do you say about him, since he has opened your eyes?" He said, "He is a prophet."

Jesus is praying for god like normal humans what makes him GOD if he is looking up to the sky and praying for god?

John 11:40-41
Jesus said to her, "Did I not tell you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?" So they took away the stone. And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, "Father (God), I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

Luke 4:24
He said, "“Most certainly I tell you, no prophet is acceptable in his hometown

Matthew 2:3-5
When King Herod heard it, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. Gathering together the entire chief priests and scribes of the people, he asked them where the Christ would be born. They said to him, “In Bethlehem of Judea, for this is written through the prophet

Luke 1:76
And you, child, will be called a prophet of the Most High, for you will go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways

Many Christians are out of their mind when they say that Jesus Christ was God. Whether, they haven’t read the properly or they are arrogant to believe in their Bible

     Seventh: God declare Himself to be God

The first criterion is that God CLEARLY and EXPLICITLY declares who he is, by declaring and saying I AM GOD, we read:

Isaiah 45:5
I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Jeremiah 32:27
Behold, I [am] the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

Ezekiel 20:20
And hallow my Sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.

Genesis 35:11
And God said unto him, I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins

Genesis 46:3 and he said, I [am] God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation:
So God CLEARLY and EXPLICITLY declares who he is, he doesn't leave it open to question or guesswork, he plainly says it.
Yet Jesus never ONCE in clear plain Hebrew or Greek ever said I AM GOD, OR I AM GOD ALMIGHTY, OR I AM GOD AND THERE IS NO GOD BESIDE ME. Jesus in his entire ministry NEVER and I repeat NEVER EVER uttered this sentence once; hence he fails the first criteria.
God says I AM GOD, Jesus never said it once.

   Eight: God Nature Does not Change

Another attribute of God in the Bible is that his nature is consistent and unchanging, as he says:
Malachi 3:6:
For I am the LORD, I CHANGE NOT

So the God of the Bible's nature does not change, yet here comes the problem for people like James White and Christians who share the same belief as him. The problem comes in the shape of Philippians chapter 2:6-7, a verse that Christians such as Dr. White USE TO PROVE JESUS' DIVINITY and it reads:

“Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,”
(New Living Translation)

The translations in other Bible are similar, but the basic Trinitarian interpretation is that Jesus gave up his divine right and power and took on the human form. So this basically means that if Jesus truly was God, then he changed his nature, and went against his nature by giving that divine nature up and becoming a man.

Malachi 3:6 completely refutes this Trinitarian interpretation of Philippians chapter 2, because if God gave up his divine right, and took on the flesh then he truly changed and went against his nature, and God clearly says he does not change nor go against his nature.

So the Christian is in a major dilemma now, either they let God be, meaning he is not a man, and that his nature doesn't change. Or they make God into a liar, claiming he did change his nature by becoming a man and taking on the flesh! It is up to the Christian as to which option they choose, but either way they still lose, because they either accept the reality that Jesus isn't God, or they call God a liar to simply continue their belief in Jesus' divinity!

Courtesy : http://islamiat101.blogspot.ae/2012/08/8-proof-from-bible-to-proof-that-jesus.html

THE SIX MAJOR SINS OF JESUS!!

By Abraham Usman Asanji

https://www.facebook.com/romabe28/notes

But it seems that no matter how much proof I show them from the bible that Jesus was not divine, that Jesus was not sinless, that Jesus was not a part of any Holy Trinity, or that Jesus is NOT GOD, they still can not allow rational/logical thought to lead them past the brainwashing that most of the Christians have incurred since birth.

Now, I have a question for you. So that my question will not go over your head, I will ask a similar logical question first:

Let’s say you asked me to take your credit card and pay your cellular phone bill. When I arrive at the store and they swipe your card, there is absolutely no money in your account.

Now when I call you and say,

“Hey, man, there is no money in your account.”

Your response to me is:

“Yeah, I know, it’s been empty for a month.”

The logical question would be,

“If it was impossible for me to pay your bill, then what was the point of sending me to the phone company?”

I’m sure each of you would agree, that this is a logical question right? So let’s apply that same logic to Jesus being without sin:

“If it was impossible for Jesus to have sinned, then what was the point of the stories about Jesus being tempted by worldly things or being tempted by Satan? ??? hmmmm....

Do you get it now? Same logical question applies here too!

How could Jesus be tempted in all-points to sin as we are, yet Christian scholars can keep a straight face and say Jesus was without sin (Hebrews 4:15)?

For common sense logic, would dictates that a deity cannot even be tempted at all right? Do you see how ridiculous the dogma becomes when you analyze Christian's falsehoods?

Christians claim that Satan's temptations had no effect on Jesus because with him also being 100% God, there wasn't even the slightest chance Jesus could have sinned.

Really?

Then you educated fools, WHAT THEN would be the point? Good grief!

If that is true, then there would be no temptation and the whole story of Jesus' being tempted, would be absolutely pointless and STUPID!

However, Jesus was tempted. We all know this right?

But how can this be? Seeing that our Pastors and the Impostor Paul claim that Jesus is also God? For the bible clearly says:

James 1:12:

Blessed is the man(human) that endures temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

¹³Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for (God cannot be tempted with evil,) neither tempt he any man:

Are you finally beginning to understand how flawed their exegesis/hypothesis theology really is?

Many educated fools will say Jesus was:

"100%fully God and 100% fully man."

This has to be the most asinine statement educated men could make.

Because if 100% of something is considered full, how can you put another 100% more of something into it?

Now they actually want us to believe, Jesus was 100% ALL MAN.

Yet they want to add stipulations to their theology and say this all-man Jesus did not have man's nature to sin, lust, get angry, and want to punch someone in the face, or have sexual lustful impure thoughts and get an ERECTION, after looking at the breast or beauty of a woman?

If Jesus is 100% all man, then he must also have 100% of man's nature for sin too!

Sorry folks you cannot have it both ways!

So I must then pose the question, Did this alleged member of the Trinity ever commit any sins on earth?

To that I must say YES HE DID!

So, in no particular order, I will list the 6 MAJOR SINS of Jesus along with the VERSES that prove my assertion is true.

Pay close attention to the highlighted words,and the capitalized words. They are very important.

So let’s begin:

#01: Jesus, like most Hebrews Jews, was

a Bigot and a Racist Separatist who

did not like Greek and Roman Gentiles!

The Merriam-Webster dictionary's definition ofBigot is:

big·ot

noun \ˈbi-gət\

: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

No I'm sure the closed-minded have either closed the pages of this note now! I'm sure even you are saying how on earth could Jesus be a bigot?

Well we are told by Paul and the Gentiles that the dark-skinned Hebrew Prophet Yeshua, who witnessed the heinous crimes against the Jews, died for their sins too!

So they want you and I to believe that Yeshua, who witnessed the heinous crimes against the Jews, was such a loving messiah, that he turned the other cheek to the oppression, the murders, the rapes and tortures and wanted to teach these HEATHEN unclean murderous pagans dogs about their God?

Really? Heck no!

Jesus, like all oppressed Hebrews HATED the GENTILES MURDERERS!

In fact to this very day, the Gentiles are still called filthy

Gentile INFIDEL Dogs!

So what does the bible really say about Jesus and the Gentiles?

Did Jesus die for their sins or did Jesus NOT want them to have salvation?

The truth will shock you! Let's see (Pay attention to the highlighted words!):

Mark 4:11-12

(Jesus) said to them, to you (Jews) it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God;

but to outsiders(GENTILES), all these things are done in parables: That they may see, and not perceive; and they (GENTILES) may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they(GENTILES) should be converted, and their(GENTILES) sins should be forgiven them.

Oh my Jesus! Tell us how you really feel! Christians don't want any part of this verse!

HMM? Did you catch that?

Did you see how angry and vengeful the human original Jesus actual was? Come on? Did you hear Jesus explain the reason why he speaks in parables instead of just teaching straight truth?

He says, and I quote: This is done so they can hear God's word but to make sure they don't understand it?

What the heck!!!!

You mean to tell me, that this man Jesus doesn't want people to be saved? YEP, you heard it straight from Jesus' own mouth folks!

Human Jesus is out of control folks!

Jesus tells His Disciples:

Don’t teach these GENTILE DOGS the TRUTH, lest at anytime they might be“CONVERTED/CHANGE AND their SINS, SINS, SINS, SINS, be “FORGIVEN THEM?” Wow! Wow! Wow!

There is a saying in the military that goes:

“Kill them all and let God sort them out!”

Jesus echoes this sentiment totally!

So Jesus didn’t want these GENTILES SINS to ever be FORGIVEN? Proving that the dying on the cross for everyone dogma is ridiculous! YEP folks! You heard this straight from JESUS’ own mouth! Amazing isn’t it?

Does this sound like someone who wants to DIE for the sins of these dogs?

HECK NO!

For it shows the true JESUS/YESHUA, who lived through the horrors of Greece and Rome and Caesar had absolutely no love whatsoever for any of these Gentile oppressive dogs and never wanted them to learn about the Most High God and wanted them to actually DIE an excruciating miserable death! You just can’t make this stuff up! It’s all clearly written in the bible for us to see!

Jesus openly says:

Matthew 7:6

"Do not give what is holy (SCRIPTURES) to (GENTILES) dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine(GENTILES), or they(GENTILES) will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you (JEWS) to pieces.

So in true essence Jesus tells his Disciples and followers;

"Give not the salvation providing holy scriptures unto these unclean GENTILE DOGS! And do not throw or (TEACH) your pearls of"wisdom/knowledge" to these murderous swine!"

Now I see why Jesus compared himself later on in the scriptures to JONAS;

Jesus was just as rebellious as he was!

Now we have Jesus admitting why he spoke in parables. It was so the Gentile nations would not be able to repent and be saved!

As you can see, I didn't make any of this up!

You read it for yourself and this is truly a sinful nature of Jesus no one ever talks about!

Jesus was in fact a prejudiced-bigot who was not willing to forgive these people for their crimes against the Jews and did not want any of his Disciples to go into any of their lands to teach them anything concerning their God and Salvation!

Jesus says:

Matthew 10:5

These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.

Matthew 10:6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’

So clearly Jesus wanted the LOST SHEEP of Israel only to be saved both from the hands of Greece and Rome and saved in the form of repentance of sins!

No Gentiles allowed here folks! A definite sin against God's word!

Now do you think I am still stretching this a bit? Well let's go a bit farther and see what happens when an actual GENTILE woman comes seeking YHWH the God of the Jews through Jesus.

Surely the Jesus we all heard about will quickly come to this Gentile woman's rescue right? WRONG!!!

The Faith of a Canaanite Woman

^{MATTHEW 15:22}

A Canaanite (GENTILE) woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

Now surely Jesus will stop to rescue this damsel in distress right? Let's see:

^{MATTHEW 15:23}
²³Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

Now let's play the "Jesus advocate" here and say that it was too noisy and Jesus didn't hear this woman's pleas for help. Well according to the above verse the Disciples heard it and were annoyed at this Gentile dog following them.

Notice they didn't say master this woman needs help, Ooooh no! They asked Jesus if he would finally send this unclean Gentile woman away!

Unbelievable!

So what do you think Jesus our so-called savior of sins reply was to his Disciples about her? Let's see:

^{MATTHEW 15:24}

He (JESUS) answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

Come on? This cannot be? So Jesus agreed with the Disciples and refused to help her and openly states that He was not sent to help any of these Gentiles Dogs but was sent ONLY, ONLY, ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel! How on earth will Christians get past this admission by Jesus?

Now apparently the woman wasn't accepting Jesus' answer to leave and wasn't giving up! Let's see what happens next:

^{MATTHEW 15:25}

The woman (GENTILE) came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

Now we see this woman has skipped over the Disciples and is kneeling down in front of Jesus. If a Hebrew woman who simply touched the hem of his garment can be healed surely Jesus is not going to not heed to the pleas of a woman who is falling in front of him on her knees begging right? What do you think Jesus' reply to her was? Let's see:

^{MATTHEW 15:26}

He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread(KNOWLEDGE/SALVATION) and toss it to the (GENTILE) dogs.”

OH MY GOSH! I am shaking my head right now in shame!

Say it 'aint so Jesus? Say it 'aint so!

Jesus hatred for these murderous Gentiles is clouding his judgment! This is probably why Hebrews 5 says Jesus suffered because he was DIS-obedient!

Now something Godly happened next! Do you remember the Pulp Fiction movie phrase:

"I'm about to go medieval on him?"

Well this Gentile woman, did something similar and she went biblical on Jesus! Let's see!

MATTHEW 15:27

But she said, "Yes, Lord; but even the (GENTILE)dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their MASTER'S(YHWH)' table."

WOW! She TOLD HIM!

This woman knew more about the God of the JEWS than Jesus thought! When Jesus said no to her, this woman invoked the TORAH and the LAWS of Moses on Jesus which says if the GENTILES come to any Hebrew Jew and seeks their God they are to fully comply and be a light to the Gentiles and teach them Salvation and the ways of God's law:

^{EXODUS 12:48}

And when a stranger (GENTILE)shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the Lord, let all his (GENTILE)males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised(GENTILE) person shall eat thereof.

⁴⁹One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the (GENTILE) stranger that sojourneth among you.

Leviticus 19:34

But the stranger (GENTILE)that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

So as you can see the GENTILES always had the right to salvation long before Paul's version of Jesus ever came on the scene!

So by using the scriptures above, the Gentile woman forced Jesus' hand and he had no choice but to heal the woman!

I want to believe this story was an eye opener to Jesus; for he did say afterwards that her faith was strong and he did finally heal her daughter. Let's hope so.

#02: The BOOK of HEBREWS admits that

JESUS the HIGH PRIEST, was originally

a SINFUL MAN!

Hebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:

²Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity (SINS).³And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for HIMSELF, to offer for sins. ⁴And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but HE that is CALLED of God, as was Aaron.

So far as you can see, the writer explains that the High Priest not only has to offer sacrifices to God for the sins of the people, but notice in verse two, it clearly states that EVERY single High priest also is filled with his "OWN" sins just like you and I.

Again people, clearly Verse 03 finishes the summarizes the writer's thoughts that this Chosen High Priest ALSO has to offer sins for HIS OWN sins too.

Did you get that? his OWN sins too!

Lastly, vs.01 and vs 04 tells us that all of these SIN-FILLED men are HUMAN and are CHOSEN by God to be a High Priest. So how does this apply to Jesus you ask? Well the writer explains how these SINS apply to Jesus in the next verses!

Hebrews 5:5: So also Christ (JESUS) glorified not himself to be made an high priest;

but HE/GOD that said unto him, Thou(JESUS)art my Son, (TODAY)have I (BEGOTTEN/CHOSEN) thee(JESUS)!

WOW! Did you get that? Now we know why it took 325 years for the Roman church to add Jesus into the Trinity! For clearly the bible says, Jesus only became a "SON" of God only after GOD CHOSE/BEGOT him on that VERY DAY!

Which proves the "Before ABRAHAM; I AM" scripture(John 8:58). was an added lie by some false Pro-Trinity ghostwriter!

As you can see, these are not my words! These words are in every single Christian New Testament bible.

But that is not all!

There is much more REVEALING information a few verses down! Let's take a look!

Hebrews 5:7Who in the days of his flesh, when he(JESUS) had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him/GOD that was able to save him from death, and was HEARD in that he feared;

WAIT a moment! Did you catch this SECRET scripture that someone FORGOT to edit out of the bible?

Read the verse again as I explain what it just said.

When Jesus was in his flesh, i.e. STILL ALIVE,

· When he had offered up prayers in the Garden of Gethsemane unto God and BEGGED and PLEADED for God to SAVE him from DYING,

· The scripture tells us that Jesus' prayers TO BE SAVED from DEATH were eventually HEARD by God?

Oh My! Yes, I already know what your next question is:

"Are you telling me that GOD spared Jesus from dying on the cross?

I am not telling you anything! The BIBLE just told you this was the truth!

Forgotten verses like these gives validity to books like:

"The Da Vinci Code and Holy Blood Holy Grail."

Now though these two books are very good. There is a wonderful new book that confirms the story of Hebrews and says Jesus in fact did escape death upon the cross. This insightful and controversial book is called

Jesus: The Rise of the Nazarene!

This book is available at all book sites. Hear is the Amazon.com link to it.

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Rise-Nazarene-Derrick-Patrick/dp/1469777657/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_1

Now, as far as the SINS of Jesus, the next two verses are DEVASTATING the the theology of Rome and speaks about Jesus' sins!

Hebrews 5:8:Though he/JESUS were ( A )Son, yet LEARNED he(JESUS) OBEDIENCE by the things which he SUFFERED;

OH! OH! OH! I had to interrupt! Clearly read that again!

For in retrospect, the writer tells us that human Jesus was not "THE" one and only son from a Trinity-esque heaven. This writer's original thoughts before editing by Rome, was that Jesus was nothing more than "A" mere son of God; just like all the other sons/prophets of God like King David or Isaiah which God also begat/chose as His sons also.

That is very damaging to the Trinity doctrine, but look at even more damaging information in verse 08!

It says, Jesus had to LEARN how to OBEY GOD by the things which he suffered.

Wow! Clearly before the biblical editing of the bible, the writer originally believed that Jesus was SINFUL and that GOD punished Jesus and made him SUFFER because of hisLACK of OBEDIENCE! Again I didn't make any of this up. You read the verse on your own!

Now we all know that this Greek written text has the Roman-ized version of Jesus disobeying God, changing God's laws and seemingly rebelling against God's laws. Now could these actions be considered sinful? Yes they can! What laws of God did these writers have Jesus change? Let's see:

· Who declared all foods to be clean? (Greco-Roman Jesus!)

· Who went against God’s rules on fasting?(Greco-Roman Jesus!)

· Who went against the rules on divorce? (Greco-Roman Jesus!)

· Who altered or ignored God’s dietary laws?(Greco-Roman Jesus!)

· Who went against God’s rules concerning the Sabbath? (Greco-Roman Jesus!)

· Who went against God’s rules on adultery?(Greco-Roman Jesus!)

· Who went against the washing of hands before dining? (Greco-Roman Jesus!)

So think about it? These Greek and Roman writings want us to believe that A HEBREW who told you in Matthew 5:17, 18, 19 that he did NOT COME to change any of the laws of Moses would suddenly do all of these evil things against God? Really? HECK NO! Unless he is guilty of sinning against God!

Christians claim Jesus is God, but if God gave the law to Moses, and then God/Jesus comes down and "changes" the laws of Moses, that means God is a liar, because the bible clearly says that God does "not change?"

Malachi 3:6

I am the LORD and I do not change. That is why you descendants of Jacob are not already destroyed.

Knowing this then, clearly if Jesus taught all of the above things God would bring wrath down upon him like the book of Hebrews is saying!

Let's get back to Hebrews shall we:

Now after God punishes Jesus, apparently Jesus, like the Jews, finally got the point! Jesus then repents of his sins and God forgives him and Jesus is cleansed/sanctified of all unrighteousness and therefore is made "perfect!"

Hebrews 5:9And being made perfect (cleansed), he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

So in finishing the author's thoughts, Jesus endured his beating, and torture because of hisOWN SINS and disobedience. Now according to verse 09, after God SAVED Jesus andFORGAVE Him of His OWN sins, Jesus was SANCTIFIED/CLEANSED of his own sins.

(personal note:) Pay close attention to the sanctified/cleansed of his sins words I just used. Later, I will give you Jesus' own words where he verifies this fact.

The final words of vs. 09 says that after this sanctification of sins process,

Jesus, now A son/prophet of God then BECAME the author/teacher/rabbi of eternal salvation to all that would listen and obey him. Are you FINALLY understanding the truth yet? Jesus clearly sinned! Let's move on.

#03: JESUS ADMITS that He was a normal

son of man that also has SINS like all

men!!

John 10:36

'Say ye of him(Jesus), whom the Father hath sanctified(Cleansed of sins), and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I (Jesus) said, I am the Son of God?"

WOW! Most Pastors and Theologian will get so angry at you for mentioning the above verse.

01. Jesus by his OWN ADMISSION,was not sinless !

02, This type of knowledge will affect their profit margins!

But I'm sorry, If our own teacher, Jesus admits that he also was a sinful man, how can we claim he was sinless or 100% man and also 100% God Which is Ridiculous now that we've heard Jesus contradicting it right?

John 17:19

And for their sakes I sanctify (Cleansed of sins),myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

Now some may say:

"See Jesus is God because he sanctified himself!"

No, this is not saying he is God! It is saying that he is merely atoning for his own SINS like the book of Hebrews says the High Priests also does by cleansing himself, and repenting from his wicked ways.

The other sons of God the Levites and the High Priest also cleansed/sanctified themselves and turned from their sins in the verse below:

2 Chronicles 30:15

Then they killed the passover on the fourteenth day of the second month: and the priests and the Levites were ashamed, and (sanctified themselves,) and brought in the burnt offerings into the house of the Lord.

So as you can see from the verse above, even the Levites and you and I too can sanctify ourselves and stop sinning! Do you finally understand?

Now we all heard of John the Baptist or John the Baptizer right? Well as you already know the practice of water baptism was already in effect. For the purpose of baptism was for one to be cleanse from all of their sins. This is also spoken of in the book of Matthew:

Mathew 3:5:

Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,⁶And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.⁸Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

So there is no debate there about the purpose of baptism and we all know that Jesus also knew the purpose

The Baptism of Jesus

According to the New Testament, baptism is a command, not an option (see, e.g., Mt 28:19; Ac 10:28). Baptism is a deed, an act of "works", which consists of a full immersion in water. What is the purpose of baptism?

· Belief and baptism are required for salvation. (Mark16:16)

· Repentance and baptism are for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38)

· Baptism washes away sins. (Acts 22:16)

· Baptism brings salvation. (1 Peter 3:21)

Baptism is a public testimony of faith in Jesus. [Ro 6:3; 1 Cor 12:13; Gal 3:27] (THE LIES OF PAUL!)

This list embodies the ongoing conflict in the New Testament between "works" and "faith" as a path to salvation.

The first four items reflect the position of the apostle James, Jesus' very own brother and "HAND-TAUGHT" Disciple that "… faith without works is dead …" (Ja 2:26[KJV]).

The last item reflects the false view of the lying false prophet, the apostle Paul, that "… by grace are ye saved through faith; … Not of works lest ...” (Eph 2:8-9[KJV]). However, there is a much more serious issue here than just this internal contradiction of Paul's foolish writings.

The New Testament records the accounts of Jesus coming to be baptized by John the Baptizer (Mt 3:13-15; Mk 1:9; Lk 3:21).

Now you guys already know from other postings that I believe these gospels have been edited over and over again by the Romans.

For even the baptism story is flawed and told in contradictory versions. However, the account in the Gospel of Matthew tells us that John "allegedly" questions the need for Jesus to be baptized by him. Yet if one reads on, Jesus clearly shows us that he like all sinners had to be baptized because

Matthew 3:15:

"… thus it becometh us(Jesus) to fulfill all righteousness …"

In other words, Jesus himself wanted to demonstrate how to have sins removed and obtain salvation.

Wow! So what part of this is still confusing to any of us now? Notice Jesus is not in conflict with the Torah teachings or with his own knowledge of his sins? The only conflict is with the Satanic Roman version of a sinless Jesus to take away our sins?

Conclusion: Jesus did not consider himself sinless.

Now you read that Jesus told us that He too was CLEANSE/Sanctified and sent into the world. It happened during this process and this is when Jesus finally became " A" son of God. This process isn't new, For God sanctified/cleansed Isaiah' sins with a hot coal!

Isaiah 6:5

Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.

⁶Then flew one of the Seraphims (ANGELS) unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:⁷And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine INIQUITY/SINS is taken away, and thy SINS purged.

So clearly, God was forgiving sins LONG before, the Greeks gave us their FALSE gospel text which they claim Jesus came to die for every one's sins.

So sad really!

Let's continue. Now just like Jesus and Isaiah, another son of God, Jeremiah also admits to this same sin-cleansing/sanctification process too!

Jeremiah 1:5

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou came forth out of the womb I sanctified/CLEANSED thee, and I ordained thee a prophet(SON OF GOD) unto the nations.

As much as I dislike Paul, even his writings tell us how one becomes " A" son of God:

Romans 15:16

That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

So he too claims he was sanctified/CLEANSED of his sins by the Holy Spirit/GOD. He also teaches others the process of how God prepares one to become " A" son of GOD below:

2nd Timothy 2:21

If a man therefore purge himself from these, (SINS)he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified/CLEANSED and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Once again, even this verse says that Jesus, the Levites and you and I can repent and purge ourselves from our own sins and then God can begat/choose us as his sons and be used for the "MASTER'S USE" to do good works unto the Lord, Amen!

Now since you have read the verses on your own, the Pastor's can no longer tell deceive you any longer.

Conclusion: JESUS sinned and repented!

Are there any more SINS that Jesus committed? Yes, many more! Let's look below:

#04: JESUS COMMITTED SIN AND

NEEDED ANGER MANAGEMENT

CLASSES AFTER HE BECAME ANGRY

and COMMITTED ASSAULT AND

PROPERTY DAMAGE!!

Now, I'm sure, some of you are saying I am crazy and that Jesus was a peaceful man who never did any harm to anyone. Yet the bible clearly shows us that Jesus was guilty of sinning, by allowing Satan to cloud his judgment when he became angry at the money changers in the temple:

John 1:13:

And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

¹⁴And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:

Okay let's stop here a moment. It is Passover and Jesus saw the money changers sitting at the temple selling oxen, sheep and doves.

QUESTION:

Now was anything wrong with them being there?

Absolutely not!

For the money changers were supposed to be at the temple!

According to God's word, thou shalt have no GRAVEN IMAGES inside of the temple. On the currency of the times, Caesar's face was engraved on the coins so the money was not allowed inside of the temple, hence the purpose for the money changers.

Now although the writer of John doesn't say these men were doing anything insincere outside of performing their normal duties, we can assume from the other gospel stories, that they may have been cheating the people in some way.

Let's assume this is true and Jesus discovered this, what is a law-abiding citizen such as Jesus supposed to do in this situation hmm? He is supposed to go to the authorities, such as the high priest, the Levites, the temple guards, the Grecian soldiers, or anyone in command and report the alleged crimes that he witnessed.

Does Jesus do just that? Oh noooooo! Jesus becomes outraged at what he allegedly witnesses.

Jesus then becomes psycho; taking the LAW into his own hands!

Let's see what he did:

John 1:15:

¹⁵And when he (Jesus) had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;¹⁶And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

So instead of being obedient to the governing laws,or reporting the thieves to the proper authorities, Jesus decides to become as a thug and invoked his own sort of vigilante mob justice and began to assault these men and scourged/beat them up with a painful corded whip. What a HYPOCRITE!

Now when the vigilante mob attempted to do the same thing Jesus did and wanted to stone the woman for her alleged injustice, Jesus prevented them from doing so, yet he is hypocritical when it comes to his own vigilante anger? Really?

So its okay for Jesus to take the law into his own hands in mob vigilante justice, but everyone else should turn the other cheek? Yeah, Whatever!

After assaulting the men, Jesus then caused property damage and destroyed their livelihood and overthrew their tables, causing all of their animals to escape. Then in anger, he tossed all of their money onto the ground possibly causing all of the people in attendance to break the commandments by stealing their coins and property. Total sin here folks!

If you or I would have done this, we would have been in jail for assault and battery. Now how sad is this?

Seeing the sins Jesus committed in the temple, the ghost writer of John made a ridiculous attempt at damage control by trying to justify Jesus' crimes by inventing an Old Testament prophecy when there was none:

John 1:17

¹⁷And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.

What the???? So, this is the best that this ghost writer can come up with as justification for Jesus' criminal behavior?

Now, the quoted Old Testament verse this writer uses isn't even a prophecy at all, it is a prayer of David about his own disobedience to God and how his enemies are attacking his kingdom. For the Psalms states in true context:

Psalms 69:9

⁹For the Zeal of thine house hath eaten me up: and the "reproaches" of them (enemies) that reproached thee are fallen upon me (King David).

Like I said earlier, the Roman Empire's Popes, Bishops, Cardinals, and Scribes, never thought that the common man and woman would ever have personal copies and access to the written word. So these errors and lies were of little concern as long as the money continued to flow into their coffers.

Now many Christians will still attempt to justify this by saying, they were in his Father's house and cheating the people.

As I have said, if this is true, Jesus still had no authority to go against man's law because the high priest was the main figure in charge that was standing in authority and who Jesus also was subjected to; especially when man's laws are not in contradiction to God's laws. Even Paul knew this and stated this fact:

Romans 13:1-3

"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities.

For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad."

So even Paul, in some of his rare good days occasionally taught sound doctrine.

Notice Paul says we and JESUS, are to be subjected to governing authorities, and not take the law into our own hands.

Jesus ignored this truth, even though he himself taught this same truth to the people when he said the following words:

He sinned when He used

Luke 20:25:

He (Jesus) said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.”

Clearly Jesus knew right from wrong, but allowed his SINFUL nature to get the better of him.

In fact Jesus contradicts his own actions in the following verse below:

Matthew 5:38-42 reads:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’

39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also.

41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.”

Really Jesus? So if someone wants to take away our tunic, let them have it and give him my cloak too?

But you beat the hell out of the money changers?

Why didn't you let them have the money and the DOVES TOO? That is what you taught right?

So I guess the rules does not apply to you huh?

I think this enough proof for this subject.

Instead of calling the authorities, violent radical thug Jesus is above the law huh?

Conclusion: Jesus sinned against these money changers!

Let’s move on…

#05: JESUS was a overweight gluttonous

alcoholic lush who was originally the life

of the party!

Man, I can hear the statements!

“YOU HAVE GONE TO FAR THIS TIME SIR!”

Now on the surface I know you think I am attacking Jesus. But I’m not. I am merely showing you how the Greco-Roman church is guilty of the first instances of “photo-shopping” a person’s image from the normal human nature.

Now folks, what was Jesus’ occupation? He was a carpenter right? This means Jesus was either

A typical muscular hard working blue collar construction worker

An overweight butt crack showing blue collar construction worker.

Now, if he was the heavy tool wielding construction worker type. This would definitely fit in with the strong radical Jesus who said He didn't come for "PEACE" but to cause division. This would also negate the weak and feeble looking Jesus that the Roman Church portrays hanging on the cross which garners such sympathy from us. The strong radical and defiant Jesus would be able to defend himself and beat the heck out of the money changers in the temple. Now the Romans can't have that can they? I mean their "die for your sins" Jesus has to be weak, and humble as a lamb for us to cheer right? The photo below is how Rome wanted us to see Jesus.

So we know, this strong defiant type of Jesus can never be spoken of!

So let's go to the other scenario below: Fat Jesus!

Like most hard working construction workers, I’m sure Jesus drank and let off steam too. Now, we all have been led to believe that Jesus hung out with sinners to convert them. That may not have always been the case.

Let’s look at the scriptures:

Mat 11:19

The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners.

Sounds as if Jesus was the life of the party huh?

We know at the wedding of Cana, when they ran out of wine for the party, Jesus saved the day by turning ordinary wine into the best tasting wine!

Yep, Jesus saved the day and the people were able to do what party people do! Drink excessively, Party, get frisky, get horny, and have drunken sexual relations!

After making this good ‘ole wine, can’t you hear the thankful party people saying:

“Go Jesus! Go Jesus! Go Jesus! Go Jesus! Cause ‘aint no party like a Hebrew party cause a Hebrew party don’t stop!”

Now the record is made in Matt. 11, that one of the "accusations" that came against Jesus by the Pharisees, was that he was a "glutton".

You do not accuse skinny people of being "gluttons".

GLUTTON:

From phagos {fag'-os}

AV - gluttonous 2; 2

1) a voracious man, a glutton

from phago {fag'-o} n m

a primary verb (used as an alternate of 2068 in certain tenses);;

Translated: eat 94, meat (noun) 3; 97, as in "meaty"(Adj.)

glut·ton (gl¾t“n) n. 1. A person who eats or consumes immoderate amounts of food and drink. [Middle English glotoun, from Old French gloton, from Latin glutt½, glutt½n-.] (Gulo gulo), having a heavyset body

Let’s look again at the scriptures from matthew:

Mat 11:19

The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners.

According to this scripture the human Jesus was well known to everyone:

· To be a GLUTTON: Translation he was on the overweight side!

· To be a WINEBIBBER: Translation He drank a whole lot!

· Was a friend of PUBLICANS & SINNERS: and Jesus wasn’t necessarily there to correct people of their sins!

Remember people don’t like change, and you cannot be a friend to the world and serve God too!

Every true man of God when they are converted teaches the total truth of God and people will hate you for it! Jesus was a friend of these people according to scriptures.

As Hebrews chapter 5 says: Jesus suffered at the hands of God for his sins. Only after Jesus’ conversion Jesus finally began teaching truth to the people.

The Publicans and sinners would then turn on him and despise and reject him! So as you can see, the true Jesus was a normal man guilty of sins just like all prophets and just like you and I! Enough said.

Let's move on...

#06: JESUS AS A "CHILD" DISOBEYED

HIS PARENTS, WANDERS OFF CAUSING

GREAT WORRY AND ANGUISH for

THREE WHOLE DAYS!

Why does the New Testament not tell us about Jesus childhood, and teenage years?

So, surely these alleged "INSPIRED" men who wrote the gospels had some information about Jesus' early life right? Come on? I mean, NONE of them were there at this alleged VIRGIN birth, yet these ghost writers expect us to BLINDLY believe that they can tell us "word-for-word" the dialogue allegedly between Mary and the Angel and exactly what events took place, but yet from ages 12 to 30 nothing but silence?

Well I believe it's because in order for the Greco-Roman Church to prove Jesus is an alleged God/Trinity member, the sins of Jesus as a child would damage their theologies' credibility. So since they have all the power, then just simply omit it. No harm no foul! What sins in Jerusalem stays buried in Jerusalem huh?"

The sad part is, there are many Apocrypha books written in the Hebrew language that tells the story of Jesus' early years, such as the "Infancy of Jesus" and the "Book of Mary."

However if you do not have access to these books, I mentioned a book above that includes the early years of Jesus in great detail. Along with other omitted and theology damaging stories, this book includes passages where Jesus as a child became so angry at His mother for ignoring his gift, that he set her sheets on fire, thereby causing her to be badly burned in the fire. Check out the book: Jesus: The Rise of the Nazarene! This book is available at all book sites.

Hear is the Amazon.com link to it.

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Rise-Nazarene-Derrick-Patrick/dp/1469777657/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_1

Now, if Jesus was 100% man, he had to be 100% child, youth and teenager too right? So here are a few questions that all of us want to know but are afraid to ask for fear of being called a heretic or unsaved:

So did Jesus know what it is like to receive discipline?
Did Mary or Joseph ever offer Correction to him? Or was Jesus the perfect little boy who never got in any trouble and minded his manners?
Did he tell the truth when James or Jude his brother broke something or did things they weren't supposed to do or did sinless Jesus live by the adage:W.W.J.D. What would JESUS do and go to his Parents and squeal on his brothers and tell of their mischievous ways?
When Joseph and Mary were about to discipline their other children, did the alleged 100% God boy, step in and intercede on behalf of his other brothers and sisters?
Did Jesus order Joseph and Mary to stand down and forbade them from punishing their other children because he had already "FORGAVE" the other kids thereby undermining their parent's authority?
If we are to believe that Jesus was the perfect sinless son, how do you think it made his other brothers and sisters feel? Any resentment?

Of course they would have resentment and jealousy and so would you! I mean what kid would want to be the "Jan Brady" to Jesus' "Marsha Brady?" Wow, can't you just imagine the scene, James would play some childhood game and make an error and then perfect little Jesus would then score and become the hero, I can just hear James screaming,

"Marsha! Marsha! Marsha! or Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! LOL!

Now anyone with common sense knows that children will always be:

Inquisitive, disrespectful, disobedient, and rebellious!

Jesus was no exception to this rule! Like we said, most of the stories about Jesus' early life are banned from the bible. However, one story was included that we all know of. So let's begin there...

Now we all have heard the story of how when Jesus was twelve, Joseph his father, took Him and his mother Mary to Jerusalem to observe the feast of Passover.

Coming back, Joseph and Mary join the caravan and believe Jesus is with them too. But in fact, Jesus, slips away from the group and stays behind in Jerusalem.

After a full day's journey, Joseph and Mary search for Jesus in the caravan, and not finding Him, they return to Jerusalem. Three days and three nights elapse before the parents discover Jesus in the temple, engaged in a dialogue with the priests.

If you have ever lost one of your kids - even for a fraction of a minute - you might have some idea of the terror Mary and Joseph endured over those nerve racking three days and three nights! I mean a 12 year old child in the heart of a corrupt city such as Jerusalem? It's a wonder how she was able to keep it together without going into panic mode! I know I would have!

Now you guys know there will always be the few that still will have a slave master supporting: "Stockholm Syndrome" and will still want to believe the lies of the Grecian and Roman scribes. They will ridiculously say:

"Mary and Joseph were not really worried about Jesus because they already knew that Jesus was God even at the age of 12?

Yes I know, stop shaking your heads at them. They perish for a lack of knowledge and common sense. Apparently these people do not read the scriptures for truthful understanding do they? For if Joseph and Mary weren't really worried, why in the heck would Mary open her mouth to say to Jesus:

"Son(Jesus), why have you done this to us? Your father (Joseph) and I (Mary) have been looking for you with great anxiety," Luke 2:48 NKJV

So as you can see, Joseph saw this as a great offense! Just like other normal parents, Jesus' mother and father were in great anguish over the disappearance of their missing son.

Now, how does this prove that Jesus sinned?

Let's assume Jesus is God, as the theologians claim.

This would mean that deity/Divine Jesus certainly would not cause this great offense because that would mean he would be the author of confusion, right?

Surely, if this alleged 100% God-boy actually had to stay in Jerusalem, he would have had the common courtesy to inform his parents of his Godly duties instead of having them go through such agony and torment for three whole days and three whole nights searching the dangerous streets of Jerusalem, right?

But does Jesus do the appropriate thing? Does Jesus do the courteous thing? Does Jesus do the GODLY thing? Heck no! Not only does this rebellious child decide he is grown enough to go off on his own, he decides to "SASS" his mother and disrespects her by talking back to her!

Luke 02:49

And He said to them, "Why did you seek me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father's business?

Oh no he didn't! What does he mean why did they seek him? As if he was a grown man or something? Then either Jesus or Luke the Pagan, tries to justify his disobedience by claiming that Joseph and Mary should have known that he was doing God's business? Baloney!

Now we all know that story is bogus because Jesus' ministry did NOT begin until after he was "SANCTIFIED/CLEANSED" after his baptism, and eventually chosen/begotten by God !

Now the interesting thing about Jesus' bogus story is that just one chapter later, the very same writer, Luke, clearly contradicts Jesus and tells us that Jesus did not start his ministry for another 18 years!! Wow!

Luke 3:23:

Now Jesus himself was about THIRTY YEARS OLD when he BEGAN his MINISTRY."

Don't you just love it when God allows the BIBLE to contradict blatant lies?

So clearly, Jesus wasn't doing his "Father's business!" This was a lie! Clearly Jesus wanted to do his own thing just as most disobedient and rebellious pre-teenagers have done since the beginning of time. This my friends makes Jesus guilty of breaking one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS which says:

^{EXODUS 20:12}

Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

Clearly Jesus was inconsiderate and did not have any thoughts about what how his parents would be in great fear and terror for him! Jesus didn't care! He saw his opportunity to go on safari in the big city and wasn't going to allow his parents to stop him!

So what happened after Jesus' father and mother weren't gullible enough to fall for this tall tale foolishness of Jesus? Let's see:

Luke 02:51

"Then He (Jesus) went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was subject to them!"

UH OH! Somebody is in trouble, trouble!

Clearly, someone is is about to find out if their father obeys the Proverbs scripture on Godly discipline which says:

PROVERBS 13:24

"Whoever spares the "ROD (BELT)" hates their children but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline (SPANK) THEM!"

Wow! So tell me? After spending 3 days and 3 nights searching the big city in the midst of brothels, pubs, orphanages, gamblers, thieves, beggars, homosexuals and pedophiles, which emotion do you think Joseph and Mary have for their son?

Do you think they had "HATE" for him, i.e. the sparing of the rod or the LOVE, for him? I.e. they are careful to make sure this young boy, learns a valuable life lesson about disobedience and disrespect?,

Do you believe Joseph chose the careful and painful option of disciplining Jesus?

Those of us who had good parents, already KNOW which option a Godly man and a strong FATHER chose once the family returned home to Nazareth don't we!

I just wonder if Jesus had to sit on one butt cheek for a while just like I had too when my Grandfather once tanned my back side? LOL!

Now, once again, you read the scriptures on your own!

I am so glad that you had your bibles out so that I didn't have to do anything but basic commentary as you read along with me.

Does this change your opinion of Jesus because he sinned as all others do? Well it should not! Jesus never lied to us and claimed he was without sin, the Roman Church invented this lie and taught this falsehood to us. As you can see, Jesus openly admitted that God had to sanctify him and cleanse him of his sins. Being 100% human only, Jesus naturally knew the difficulties we all face in this walk of life.

For 33 years, Jesus faced the same sin issues like us. Also like us, he conquered some, and he failed some.

But the great thing about this is that GOD(YHWH) looks past our infirmities and can take a sinner like Jesus, David, Moses etc., sanctify him, cleanse him of his sins, and then say:

"Thou, art my son, Today, or on THIS VERY DAY, have I begotten/chosen thee!

This is the true nature of the sons of God, the Disciples also confirmed this fact and said:

1st John 3

01: "Behold, what manner of LOVE the FATHER (GOD) hath bestowed upon us (Disciples) that we should be called the SONS of God."²Beloved, now are we the SONS of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he (GOD) shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.³And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth(SANCTIFIES) himself, even as he is pure.

Wow! This verse says it all doesn't it?

God reveals to us that Jesus, became a son/prophet of God after the sin sanctification process.

In spite of the false theology of Roman-ized Christianity, The bible also shows us that the Levites, Priests and the Disciples, just like Jesus, were also known as the:

sons of God by the exact same sin sanctification process.

Never again, allow man-made theology or exegesis, brainwash you, clouding your God-given common sense!

Finally, there are other sins of Jesus in the bible too, but I think this note is long enough and insightful enough that anyone with an open-mind can now weed through the blatant lies of Roman and Greece. Don't forget your bibles so that you can see past the mythology foolishness from hence forth and forever.

May God bless you, for reading this and doing your due diligence for seeking Godly clarity over theology. Peace....

Saturday, May 12, 2012

If Jesus were God ? / Is Jesus really God? Did Jesus sin/tempted?